🎙️ My guest today is Samuel Kullmann, a Member of Parliament from Switzerland’s Canton Bern, entrepreneur, and one of Europe’s first openly pro-Bitcoin politicians.
With Samuel Kullmann, a Member of Parliament mentioning that to create a referendum requires only/approximately 50k signatures (ie: 1% of the population) one can't help but wonder if infiltration of paid information spreaders and/or the power of propaganda would not threaten the integrity/actual wishes of the people. Late in the podcast he mentions guardrails that protect/prevent infiltration of corrupt actors/state actions, but he also mentioned pressures of propaganda and outside (actions/political decisions of adjoining states) are best neutralized via education.
Taking 2020 CoV as an example, and the literal psyops that was pushed down on us, we're still paying the price of corrupt messaging distribution/propaganda (literally world-wide).
And I'm uncertain if it even took 1% of 'the messengers' to create the chaos.
I'm hearing and believe that 'daily prayer' is becoming a common theme by multiple leaders around the world.
"The debate between Bitcoin and tokenized gold as store-of-value assets intensified in late 2025, with institutional adoption, regulatory scrutiny, and philosophical differences shaping the discourse. The World Gold Council, represented by DMCC CEO Ahmed Bin Sulayem, is actively exploring tokenized gold as a digital alternative to Bitcoin, arguing that Bitcoin does not represent real-world assets.
This move comes amid a surge in the tokenized gold market, which has grown to $3.5 billion, driven by projects like Tether Gold (XAUT) and platforms such as MiloGold and HSBC Gold Token.
Meanwhile, Bitcoin continues to gain institutional traction, with companies like MicroStrategy and MARA Holdings adopting a "full HODL" strategy, amassing billions in BTC.
Bitcoin's appeal lies in its decentralized, algorithmically scarce supply capped at 21 million coins, offering a trustless, permissionless ledger that eliminates counterparty risk.
Its role as a macroeconomic safe-haven asset remains strong, particularly in times of uncertainty, with JPMorgan accepting it as collateral.
Tokenized gold combines the physical scarcity of gold with blockchain-based custody, offering transparency and efficiency while reducing traditional storage risks.
However, it relies on centralized custodians, introducing counterparty risks if the custodian fails or manipulates supply.
Key figures like Changpeng Zhao (CZ) argue that tokenized gold is a "trust-me-bro" IOU, dependent on third parties, whereas Bitcoin’s value is derived from cryptographic consensus and on-chain verifiability.
Peter Schiff, a vocal Bitcoin critic, is developing a tokenized gold platform called Tgold, positioning it as "real money for the digital age" and a stable alternative to Bitcoin’s volatility.
The tokenized gold market has tripled in value to $3.5 billion, with Ethereum and Solana hosting major projects, while Bitcoin’s value increased by $2.2 trillion over the same period, highlighting divergent growth trajectories.
Regulatory scrutiny affects both assets: Bitcoin faces volatility and evolving frameworks, while tokenized gold grapples with ownership clarity and custodial risks, as seen in the 30% price drop of Canton Coin."
Therefore, looking for podcasts with Peter Schiff and/or Changpeng Zhao (and others) may give you a start-point as to which direction you may want to pursue.
Solid analysis. I speculate the market for a well backed digital currency can support both strategies. An investment in GLD or PHYS is an investment in tokenized gold.
Efrat,
Great (as always) podcast.
With Samuel Kullmann, a Member of Parliament mentioning that to create a referendum requires only/approximately 50k signatures (ie: 1% of the population) one can't help but wonder if infiltration of paid information spreaders and/or the power of propaganda would not threaten the integrity/actual wishes of the people. Late in the podcast he mentions guardrails that protect/prevent infiltration of corrupt actors/state actions, but he also mentioned pressures of propaganda and outside (actions/political decisions of adjoining states) are best neutralized via education.
Taking 2020 CoV as an example, and the literal psyops that was pushed down on us, we're still paying the price of corrupt messaging distribution/propaganda (literally world-wide).
And I'm uncertain if it even took 1% of 'the messengers' to create the chaos.
I'm hearing and believe that 'daily prayer' is becoming a common theme by multiple leaders around the world.
Anyone have an in depth article or podcast comparing bitcoin to tokenized gold?
MCL,
From Brave AI:
"The debate between Bitcoin and tokenized gold as store-of-value assets intensified in late 2025, with institutional adoption, regulatory scrutiny, and philosophical differences shaping the discourse. The World Gold Council, represented by DMCC CEO Ahmed Bin Sulayem, is actively exploring tokenized gold as a digital alternative to Bitcoin, arguing that Bitcoin does not represent real-world assets.
This move comes amid a surge in the tokenized gold market, which has grown to $3.5 billion, driven by projects like Tether Gold (XAUT) and platforms such as MiloGold and HSBC Gold Token.
Meanwhile, Bitcoin continues to gain institutional traction, with companies like MicroStrategy and MARA Holdings adopting a "full HODL" strategy, amassing billions in BTC.
Bitcoin's appeal lies in its decentralized, algorithmically scarce supply capped at 21 million coins, offering a trustless, permissionless ledger that eliminates counterparty risk.
Its role as a macroeconomic safe-haven asset remains strong, particularly in times of uncertainty, with JPMorgan accepting it as collateral.
Tokenized gold combines the physical scarcity of gold with blockchain-based custody, offering transparency and efficiency while reducing traditional storage risks.
However, it relies on centralized custodians, introducing counterparty risks if the custodian fails or manipulates supply.
Key figures like Changpeng Zhao (CZ) argue that tokenized gold is a "trust-me-bro" IOU, dependent on third parties, whereas Bitcoin’s value is derived from cryptographic consensus and on-chain verifiability.
Peter Schiff, a vocal Bitcoin critic, is developing a tokenized gold platform called Tgold, positioning it as "real money for the digital age" and a stable alternative to Bitcoin’s volatility.
The tokenized gold market has tripled in value to $3.5 billion, with Ethereum and Solana hosting major projects, while Bitcoin’s value increased by $2.2 trillion over the same period, highlighting divergent growth trajectories.
Regulatory scrutiny affects both assets: Bitcoin faces volatility and evolving frameworks, while tokenized gold grapples with ownership clarity and custodial risks, as seen in the 30% price drop of Canton Coin."
Therefore, looking for podcasts with Peter Schiff and/or Changpeng Zhao (and others) may give you a start-point as to which direction you may want to pursue.
Thanks PPIF !
Solid analysis. I speculate the market for a well backed digital currency can support both strategies. An investment in GLD or PHYS is an investment in tokenized gold.